Når Lucasfilm til efteråret efter mange års pres udgiver den oprindelige “Star Wars” trilogi, med Special Edition udgaverne fra 2004 og de oprindelige udgaver, bliver det desværre ikke i Danmark disse skiver kan findes på hylderne.
Ifølge Tina Berg fra SF Film ”har LucasFilm besluttet sig for kun at udgive dem i datterselskabs landene, og desværre ikke i licens landene (hvilket Danmark, Norge og Finland hører under).”
Fra SF Films side er der blevet ”gjort [det] bedste for at få lov til at udgive dem i Danmark, men desværre uden held. [Og] beklager at må meddele at filmene kun kan skaffes på Skandinavisk plan i Sverige!”
“Stjärnornas krig”, “Rymdimperiet slår tillbaka” og “Jedins återkomst” vil alle kunne anskaffes fra 11. september.
#41 Jay El 18 år siden
#42 filmz-rys 18 år siden
Jeg har købt VHS udgaverne af de "original", VHS platinium udgave af Special Editon, har DVD boksen med de 4 DVD'er, 3x 2 disk versioner af Ep 1-3 og jeg har være i biografen og se alt fra special editon og frem...
#43 Slettet Bruger [953958355] 18 år siden
#44 HonoDelLoce 18 år siden
#45 Andcasso 18 år siden
Udover det kunne jeg ikke være mere ligeglad. Jeg har disse (næsten) originale udgaver på VHS, og ærligt talt har jeg ikke set dem i umindelige tider. Besides that har jeg også Special Edition fra 1997 (igen på VHS) og Special Edition fra 2004, og det er sidstnævnte jeg foretrækker.
#46 region 2 killer 18 år siden
Hvis du prøver at læse mit indlæg igen, vil du se at min hukommelse er ganske fint fungerende, da den ligegyldige reaktion netop er det jeg kritiserede. Man ignorer og mumler når andre studier og instruktører driver langt værre rovdrift på fans pengepunge(her er det tydeligvis blasfemi at nævne LOTR), mens man dobbeltmoralsk og umodent i HVER ENESTE nyhed om Lucasfilm udgivelser på filmz.dk sviner George Lucas til, en af de vigtigste film instruktører og producenter de seneste 30 år.
Det er for resten et umuligt job at rense de originale film op til dagens standarter, da Lucas permanent har ændret film negativerne i 1997.
http://www.originaltrilogy.com/Lucasfilm_PR_respon...
#47 filmz-Kadann 18 år siden
Du misforstår åbenbart. Folk ser jo de nye LOTR-udgivelser som ligegyldige, derfor ordvalget "ligegyldighed", der er jo ikke noget der rigtigt frister ved dem. Desuden er der da masser af eksempler på at folk blive gnavne når der kommer en federe eller mere ultimativ udgave en eller anden film, hvor der i forvejen er en fed udgave på markedet, i stedet for at selskaberne udgiver det bedste til at starte med. Jeg blev f.eks. ikke i specielt godt humør da der kom en ny udgave af "Heat", som ikke på nogen måde var kvalitetsmæssigt bedre mht. billed og lyd end den gamle, da jeg netop havde udskudt købet af den film p.g.a. den nye udgave.
Lucas er jo også et ret specielt tilfælde, da det er et fåtal af instruktører der vælger at ignorere sine fans i samme grad som han gør, så er det vel ikke så underligt at folk er en kende træt af hans særheder?
Selvom man ikke har negativerne til rådighed, er der jo stadig mulighed for at bringe filmene adskellige skridt nærmere dagens standarder - f.eks. kan man udgive filmene i anamorphic widescreen, som allerede er et vigtigt skridt på vejen. For fans der er glade for surround, er det også muligt at mixe et 5.1-spor ud fra det eksisterende stereospor der er til rådighed (ikke noget der er vigtigt for mig, skal det siges). Når man kan få et vellydende surroundlydspor ud af 40-50 år gamle film (og ældre), der oprindeligt er optaget i mono, så kan det altså også lade sig gøre i dette tilfælde.. og så står der jo direkte i dit link at man ikke vil gøre en ekstra indsats, ikke at man ikke kan bringe dem op til dagens standarder.
For mit eget vedkommende, har jeg heldigvis ikke tabt penge på de nye versioner af filmene på dvd, så Lucas kan udgive herfra og til dommedag, jeg ønsker mig bare nogle udgivelser som er gode, ikke et venstrehåndsarbejde - og den eneste grund til at jeg køber denne dvd-udgivelse, er fordi at min laserdiscafspiller ikke holder evigt og kvaliteten, trods alt, er bedre end de bootleg-dvd'er jeg har stående af de originale udgaver af filmene.
#48 filmz-Le Samouraï 18 år siden
De to ting hænger ikke sammen. Det er bestemt muligt at lave en restauration, der lever "op til dagens standarter [sic]" uden at have negativerne til rådighed. Alle påstande om det modsatte er ren damage control fra Lucas' pressemaskine. Læs fx. Bill Hunts klummer om sagen i The Digital Bits, dengang udgivelsen blev annonceret tilbage i maj. 19/5 udtalte restaureringseksperten Robert Harris, der bl.a. har restaureret "Lawrence of Arabia", "Vertigo" m.m., at det sagtens kan lade sig gøre, og at arbejdet formodentligt blot vil tage seks måneder (jvf. her også den officielle, ganske seriøse tråd om emnet på HTF).
Det er ikke muligheden, der mangler, men viljen. Lucas har formodentligt langt om længe givet efter for presset fra de mange fans, der gerne vil gense originaludgaverne. Han har bare ikke ville ofre en øre på dem og derfor valgt at genbruge de gamle laserdisc-masters. Det er dybt uacceptabelt - især fordi de klip, der vises af de originale versioner i Lucasfilms egen dokumentar "Empire of Dreams", jo netop viser, at der findes materiale i god nok stand til at trække en ny anamorphic master.
#49 filmz-Bruce 18 år siden
*** JUST FOR THE SAKE OF IT!!! DISKUSSIONEN PÅ LINKEDE TRÅD FINDER STED NU!!! IDAG! OG DER ER REPRÆSENTANTER FRA LUCAS TIL STEDE SOM LÆSER I TRÅDEN ***
Og så var den længe ventede 4-6 trilogi nok det mest primitive og afskyelige mht. både indpakning og bonus materiale, oceaner af vej op til Alien boksen og næsten enhver koreansk +5$ udgivelse. Det var jo nærmest en hån mod enhver fan (også en middelmådig en som undertegnede) og en udgivelse som skriger i vejret:
Denne trilogi har vi lavet så ringe, for så vil 98% på et senere tidspunkt købe den igen i deluxe udgaven i 2009, fordi deres papcover smuldrer allerede efter 2 afspilninger og så har vi fikset alle problemerne med lyden på 4'eren.
HER STARTER VI EFTER MINE UDBRUD
Der er en meget interessant artikel på Digitalbits. Robert Harris, som er THE ORACLE mht. restaureringer og bl.a. har restaureret "Lawrence of Arabia" har åbnet en diskussion på Hometheaterforum på baggrund af skriverier på Digitalbits. Jeg har forsøgt at samle op, den tidligeste OG VIGTIGSTE ARTIKEL kommer først:
Første artikel fra maj. DET MEGET VIGTIGE KOMMER MED FED SKRIFT!!!
We want to take a few moments this morning to post some follow-up thoughts on our Star Wars DVD editorial from yesterday. Since we first posted the DVD transfer information, and especially after our comments of yesterday morning, we've received many hundreds of e-mails from Star Wars fans, home theater enthusiasts and industry insiders (our sincere thanks to all of you for your thoughts), nearly all of whom agree with our sentiments, specifically that if Lucasfilm is going to release the original theatrical versions of the Star Wars films on DVD, they should at least present them in anamorphic widescreen to ensure some semblance of acceptable video quality for fans who may wish to purchase them. Still, a few people felt we were making mountains out of molehills.
Whatever your personal opinions, however, there remains a reality that is hard to deny, which is this: Anamorphic enhancement is the widely accepted industry standard for the presentation of widescreen films on DVD. This is not pie in the sky 'unobtanium' technology that costs untold millions to implement... it's a basic technique that is standard practice on DVD and has been for many years now, since the fairly early days of the DVD format back in 1997. Keep in mind, we're not asking for 4K high-definition presentation at this point. We're simply asking that Lucas - who has in the past been so focused on the quality presentation of his films that he created THX (and the THX certification process) to ensure it - expend a little more effort and money to ensure that the Star Wars DVDs planned for release on 9/12, which are already set to offer the original theatrical versions of these films, offer them in reasonably acceptable video quality that is commensurate to the minimum level that's considered standard for the DVD format today.
Now... we've heard all manner of excuses and contradictory official statements as to why this can't happen: 1) the original film negatives are gone, 2) the other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly, 3) there are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used, 4) the 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives, etc. Some of these excuses run from the unlikely to the absurd, and all of them strike us as publicity machine spin.
We've debunked all of these excuses previously but, for the record, let's do so again:
1) The original negatives are gone, destroyed as part of the process of creating the 1997 special edition versions.
We're inclined to believe this is true. Still, the original negatives are not the only viable elements that can be used to transfer the films for home video release. There are numerous interpositive prints. There are the separation masters. Worst case, there are a number of high quality release prints available. In short, other elements exist that can be used for this purpose.
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
We'll come back to this one in a minute.
3) There are just no quality film elements remaining anywhere that could be used.
See our answer to #1. Even if it's true that Lucas and his staff destroyed all of the original negatives, it's unlikely in the extreme that they also destroyed all of the interpositives, all of the separation masters, and all of the release prints. In fact, we know that they didn't. Where, for example, would the anamorphic footage of the original 1977 opening text crawl from A New Hope - the footage that appeared in the Empire of Dreams DVD documentary - have come from if not from quality surviving film elements? Still, even if Lucas did destroy every single scrap of original film available in the Lucasfilm Archives... we know for a fact that high quality die transfer release prints exist in the hands of a number of archives and private collectors. While not ideal, any of these could be given a high-definition transfer, a bit of digital clean-up and color-timing, and could be presented on DVD in anamorphic widescreen in quality that would be superior to a 1993 non-anamorphic laserdisc transfer.
4) The 1993 laserdisc masters are the best source material that can be found for use on DVD after exhaustive searches of the Lucasfilm Archives.
See our answer to #3. This is flatly absurd. If this were true, Lucasfilm's archivists should be ashamed of themselves. We know of few professionals tasked with the preservation of film materials that would allow such critically important film elements as the original Star Wars films to be lost, to deteriorate or be wholesale destroyed. And again, even if Lucasfilm's vaults were so woefully incomplete, we know for a fact that quality elements exist elsewhere. Given 48 hours notice, we could track them down ourselves. Surely, with its significant resources and influence, Lucasfilm could do the same. If the 1993 laserdisc masters are really the best that Lucasfilm can do, it's disturbing. If not, a statement like "We returned to the Lucasfilm Archives to search exhaustively for source material that could be presented on DVD..." seems terribly disingenuous - the corporate PR equivalent of "I'm so sorry, but the dog ate my homework."
But let's get back to #2...
2) The other existing original elements have deteriorated too badly to be used.
It just so happens that one of our regular contributors here at The Bits, the author of our ever illuminating Yellow Layer Failure, Vinegar Syndrome and Miscellaneous Musings column, is something of an expert on the subject of film preservation and restoration. Robert A. Harris, in point of fact, is one of the world's best known motion picture archivists, and has does significant work in this field through his company, Film Preserve. Robert's experiments in color technology and more recent advances in the digital domain have set standards in the industry. His reconstruction and restoration efforts, primarily in the large format field, have brought back to the screen some of the most important films ever produced, including Lawrence of Arabia, Spartacus, My Fair Lady, Vertigo and Rear Window.
We asked Robert what might be done with the original surviving elements of the Star Wars films in order to rejuvenate them and present them in high quality on DVD. Here's what he had to say on the subject:
"Bill Hunt has asked for an opinion regarding the element problems which we have been told exist in the various Star Wars films, and if they might be fixed.
We're aware of the extent of the problems, going back to fading of the original CRI sections - a problem shared with Close Encounters of the Third Kind - as well as the various cuts, re-cuts, etc. which have changed the conformation of the film elements.
Over the past few years we have been experimenting with various means of handling and interrelating differing film elements, and what we have accomplished would enable us to bring Star Wars back to virtually its original state.
In all deference to Lucasfilm, there is no reason that they would be aware of our latest experiments, or how they might apply to Star Wars.
Essentially, the project would be a reconstruction concurrent with restoration.
We can state with absolute certainly that we would be able to deliver fully restored quality elements as might be requested by Lucasfilm, inclusive of a pristine quality high definition video master as well as a full resolution 35mm preservation negative, if so directed.
It would be both a pleasure and a challenge to bring these films back to virtually their original state, and given a proper budget, commensurate with the work entailed, we would be willing to take on the assignment from Lucasfilm, and deliver elements which would make the release of the original trilogy to DVD as startlingly beautiful an event as it should be.
These films are extremely important both cinematically and as cultural icons, and deserve to be seen in the finest quality possible.
RAH"
So there you have it. It seems to those of us here at The Bits, that the only reasonable obstacles to Lucasfilm in releasing the original versions of the Star Wars film on DVD in high-quality are the will do to so and the willingness to spend a reasonable sum of money, such as might be required to get the job done properly. Certainly, any number of existing quality elements could be utilized for the purpose (and digitally cleaned up as needed) without breaking the bank. But considering the cinematic and cultural significance of these films, does it not seem reasonable and prudent to do so?
In any case, we sincerely hope that those in charge at Lucasfilm will reconsider their decision to use lackluster 1993 laserdisc masters to present the original Star Wars films on DVD in 2006. The films deserve better, and we believe it's the right thing to do for the fans. It might require a little more effort, a little more money spent up front. But we have to believe that it would be a significantly profitable enterprise... that countless life-long fans of the original films would thrill at the possibility of finally owning them on DVD in good, reasonable and acceptable quality.
It should be done. It CAN be done.
Værsgo! Lige midt i kraniet på Hr. Lucas. En af verdens bedste restauratorer vil gerne påtage sig opgaven og hvis man har set hr. Harris arbejde, så ved man det bliver klart flottere end hvad man har opnået med trilogien som den er nu.
Her kommer andet punkt.
Oh... one other thing this morning. You know how we were complaining a few months back that the original versions of the Star Wars films (due on 9/12) were going to look less than stellar in 15-year old, non-anamorphic, laserdisc-transfer quality video on DVD? A few thousand fans finally got a look at them at the Lucasfilm presentation at Comic-Con on Friday afternoon. Lucasfilm's Steve Sansweet had this to say to the assemblage: "The transfers from the bonus discs are absolutely incredible, because these are pristine master tapes, and I have NEVER seen - despite what you may have heard on Internet rumors - a better transfer of a movie."
The balls. THE BALLS.
Well... it seems that Steve's actual visual evidence wasn't quite as compelling as his personal opinion might otherwise suggest. Or so says Ain't it Cool News, Collider.com and others who were there to see the presentation (for the record, Todd, Adam and I missed it as we were wrapping up our own post-panel business on Friday afternoon). Scott Swan's Collider report is particularly depressing. He's actually posted an MP3 audio recording of the event, in which you can hear Sansweet addressing the anamorphic controversy in such a way that it seems he doesn't even quite understand what anamorphic enhancement is. For the record, Steve, the "little black bars" are NOT the problem here (we refer you to our Anamorphic Guide for your edification). Anyway, we've told Lucasfilm that we'd eat our hats if they can prove us wrong about how the DVDs look, but they have yet to take us up on the offer. The offer still stands.
We don't make this stuff up, folks! We're totally serial.
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By the way, I've learned that our very own Russell Hammond was at the Star Wars panel at Comic-Con on Friday, and his reaction was much like the others we've heard who saw the DVD clips. Apparently, Lucasfilm went to a lot of trouble to first show a doctored clip (supposedly from the DVDs) designed to look deliberately bad - something that they'd spent money to actually create! - in order to make light of the criticisms we at The Bits and MANY others have leveled on the forthcoming DVDs' quality shortcomings, and in order to make the actual DVD clips look somewhat better by comparison. In fact, Russell says that Sansweet's comments (that we posted earlier) were made right before showing the deliberately bad looking clips, as a way of playing up the joke. THEN he played the actual clips from the DVDs, and according to Russell, "It looked like crap too!" (Russell's exact words, spoken in an outraged tone to me this morning over the phone.) In other words, it looked exactly like we figured it would... soft, washed out, lacking in contrast and detail, etc... exactly what you'd expect from 15-year-old, non-anamorphic laserdisc transfers gussied up for DVD and blown up on a big screen. I'd like to refer you all to a lengthy post we made here at The Bits in May, which remains our definitive statement on this issue. In it, we point-for-point refute every single argument that Lucasfilm has made as to why this is the "best they can do." It was written by myself, along with our own Robert A. Harris, who is one of the foremost film restoration experts in the industry. I think you'll find it interesting reading, and we stand by it 100%.
All in all. Lucas fucker rundt med fans'ne som han altid har gjort! Giv Robert Harris jobbet og brug pengene på det!
Warner har lige restaureret den gamle piratfilm "Black Swan" fra 50'erne for omkring $5 mio., et beløb som sikkert ikke vil blive spillet ind igen ved dvd salg, men som viser hvor dedikeret nogle er for at vise respekt for film og gemme disse for eftertiden.
Lucas er og bliver en grisk narhat!
#50 filmz-Bruce 18 år siden
Just had the following reply from the British Film Institute regarding their copies of the original version of Star Wars:
"Thanks for your message about the STAR WARS films that has been passed over to us in the BFI's Curatorial Unit.
I certainly agree with you that the original versions of the STAR WARS films are as worthy of preservation as the altered reissues that came later. Indeed, the BFI's National Film and Television Archive is permanently preserving prints of all three of the films as they originally appeared, and also holds video material that reflects these original versions.
I am unaware of any plans to screen these prints currently, but I hope you are assured that these versions are secure for the future.
I hope that this information proves useful to you."
So they are "currently preserving prints" - this is heartening news indeed. At least someone/group is doing this as Lucasfilm obviously have their hands tied by Mr Lucas himself. A shame these preserved films will most likely never be allowed a screening, but at least a professional body is engaged in the preservation of the original trilogy!! :-)
Cheers,
- John
So, has anyone passed this information along to George "The Dog Ate My Negatives" Lucas?
Tsk tsk tsk tsk!!!! Pinligt!