Jeg har lige haft Elizabeth i afspilleren og har zappet lidt rundt i den. Jo, jeg kører "kun" 42 tommer, men jeg synes ikke helt jeg kan genkende hvad der er skrevet om billedet.
Ud fra mit korte blik, vil jeg sige at jeg er enig med blu-ray.com omkring billedet.
De har ikke opfundet mange skarpe knive.. i skuffen og så er de jo ikke særlig stærke. De er skæve og vinde.. af fuld.
#3373 nu har jeg ikke set kvaliteten af ovennævnte, men det er simpelthen en skandale at udgive film på blu-ray hvor kvaliteten ikke er i top. Man havde håbet på at de ikke ville lave de samme fejl, som man i sin tid gjorde med de mange ringe udgivelser på dvd, men ak nej.
Robert A Harris går i den grad i flæsket på Spartacus:
Twenty years ago, under the aegis of Universal’s Tom Pollack, and with the cooperation and support of both Kirk Douglas and Stanley Kubrick, we spent a year reconstructing and restoring Spartacus from extant film elements. The process was difficult, tedious, and expensive. Work was performed virtually on a shot by shot basis.
An HD master was created from our 65mm interpositive some ten years ago. AFAIK it has previously been used for all SD as well as HD releases of Spartacus, I am told that the master was returned to HTV for clean-up and removal of unwanted noise and grain.
HTV, which performed meticulous dirt and grain removal on another large format production, Franklin J. Shaffner’s brilliant 1970 Academy Award winner Patton, has been brought back to perform similar duties with Mr. Kubrick’s Spartacus. Only now, with newer, next gen software, the final results, both based upon the original transfers and the newer software are different.
Many people were thrilled with the look and overall textures of Patton, which was smoother than a baby’s bottom, and to give it proper credit, looked beautiful on smaller screens.
Where are we now?
Where before, we had heavy noise as captured by the HD transfer, we now have something akin to the surface of a quiet pond in which not even the smallest ripple distorts the surface. Make no mistake, the video noise inherent in the HD master was a problem. The film element upon which the master was based had the normal grain attributes of large format separation masters, which are nominal. No grain reduction was necessary.
The information that I received is that HTV noted the problems, and instituted a fix based upon their newest generation noise and grain reduction software.
After doing a comparison of the HD vs. the new Blu-ray, here’s what I’m seeing:
The video noise, inherent in the HD master is gone. That’s a good thing, but keep in mind that it should never have been there to begin with. In removing the noise, all grain is also gone, replaced by what appears to be a pleasant sheen of artificial film grain.
All of the detail captured by Academy Award winning cinematographer Russell Metty’s meticulous large format Technirama camera, for which he won an Academy Award for Best Color Cinematography, is unfortunately also gone.
All high frequency information has been lost, and with it all of the detail in the image.
In its place the newly softened image has been electronically sharpened. We now have a halos. Contrast has been boosted to make the image appear sharper than it is, but this is perceived as opposed to actual sharpness. Fortunately, possibly based upon the new software, we have not gone plastic.
During the restoration of Spartacus, we went through numerous tests to find the optics that could reproduce the immense amount of detail found in the original elements. I recall one test that we screened in the Hitchcock Theater at Universal. The image quality wasn’t quite there. It was slightly soft. When I mentioned that detail was missing in the wood that surrounded the gladiator’s arena, one of the gentlemen from the post house responded “But you can see the wood grain.” I distinctly remember getting an elbow in the ribs at that moment from our tech assistant, Mike Hyatt. He knew where this was going. What we needed to properly represent Mr. Kubrick’s film was not the ability to see the wood grain, but rather to see the insects eating their way through the wood grain. Within two weeks an optical system was put in place that enabled us to reproduce the information as exposed to the original elements.
In Universal’s new Blu-ray release of Stanley Kubrick’s Spartacus, you can almost see the wood grain, but now that grain is covered in electronic enhancement, halos and unnecessary contrast.
The pity is that Spartacus, like Out of Africa and Elizabeth makes Blu-ray appear to be something that it is not – a flawed technological system for viewing motion pictures in home theaters. I was hopeful that the lessons learned with the Blu-ray releases of Patton, The Longest Day and Gangs of New York might have been taken to heart.
They have not.
Where Fox and Disney have been releasing gorgeous Blu-rays of their catalog titles, and Disney recently released a fully corrected version of Gangs, it is now Universal that is placing data of less than stellar quality in the holding container that is Blu-ray. This potentially damages the reputation of the Blu-ray system, while it absolutely damages the concept that is the “art” of cinema, and proper representation of the what was created by the filmmakers. Where we often have to make compromises between art and commerce, with this Blu-ray of Spartacus there appears to be no compromise -- only the resolute purity of commerce.
There will be many people who will love the Blu-ray of Spartacus, especially on smaller screens. I’ll not get into color, densities, black levels or audio because any discussion of those attributes is irrelevant.
There is no problem with the film elements held on Spartacus. There is a 65mm interpositive with virtually all of the basic color timing and densities intact. There are two audio masters. One which replicates the original 6-track 70mm Todd-AO mix, and another, which updates it for those theaters, equipped at the time of the restoration with “baby booms.” It is the Todd-AO mix that properly represents the wide proscenium mix for properly spacial dialogue.
A return to the 65mm IP would not be an extremely expensive undertaking, especially based upon the importance of the film, and of potential worldwide income. The pity is that whatever entity is controlling the purse strings is unable to recognize that fact.
Here we have an example of great classic cinema. Written, produced, photographed, edited and scored by some of the finest talent in the industry. Spartacus is a huge, epic film about the enduring spirit of mankind and the concept of freedom.
It has been turned, on this Blu-ray, into a sideshow pipsqueak, an ugly and unfortunate bit of home video fodder, which would be far better suited to VHS.
I would suggest a recall. Spartacus on Blu-ray could have been as Mr. Kubrick wished it to be – a heroic and majestic piece of epic entertainment. With a simple new image harvest, Spartacus could be a piece of brilliant Blu-ray software.
As it is, Spartacus receives an absolute and undeniable…
Fail.
Den "fede tekst" er det positive. Der FINDES en glimrende 65mm interpositiv og Spartacus kan komme til at se vidunderlig ud.
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Jeg kunne ikke have forstillet mig en bedre afslutning på serien, den formår på ganske fornem vis at opsamle alle de ingredienser der kendetegner Supernatural og binder det hele sammen på en fuldt ud tilfredsstillende måde. Jeg kunne ikke have foresillet mig en bedre slutning. Det er stærkt gået af Eric Kripke.
Eric Kripke - 6/6
Supernatural sæson 1 - 5: Serien har helt klart haft sine problemer, men ingen serie er perfekt i mine øjne. Ej heller Deadwood, Twin Peaks, Lost, X-Files, Mad Men eller Dexter, som alle er serier jeg har set eller følger med i, er perfekte. De er alle sammen meget gode, men ingen af dem har formået at fange mig på samme måde som Supernatural. 6/6
Det at Supernatural begynder et nyt historie ark - 2/6 Jeg er mildest talt meget skeptisk over for ideen, nu når den femte sæson slutter på så fornem vis. Jeg skal da se den an, men det kan godt være at serien slutter ved femte sæson for mit vedkommende. :)
Folk der ikke har set Supernatural - 0/6 Kom nu ind i kampen for fanden! Den er værd at tjekke ud. Du kan finde de to første sæsoner til en rimelig pris i de fleste butikker der sælger film og serier. Den bider ikke. ;)
Jeg blev færdig med sæson 5 - Vol. 1 i går, så er halvvejs igennem og bortset fra en lidt sløv opstart i de første par afsnit, så er den efterfølgende kommet op på sit sædvanlige høje niveau. Afsnit 5-11 er jo alle fremragende underholdning og det er nærmest umuligt for mig at finde et favorit afsnit her.
Skulle jeg så alligevel gøre det, vil jeg især fremhæve "I Believe The Children Are Our Future", "Changing Channels" og "Sam, Interupted" pga. deres opfindsomhed og finurlige leg med "SuperNatural" universet.
Klappede i øvrigt til afsnit 4, "Fallen Idols", da :
Sam & Dean gir Paris Hilton tæsk og kapper hovedet af hende. Thumbs Up! ;)
Og så blev jeg sgu helt trist i afsnit 10, "Abandon All Hope", da :
Jo bliver hårdt såret og ofrer sit eget liv sammen med sin mor. Øv, ku' sgu rigtig godt li' de to karakterer. :(
Glæder mig til at få set resten af sæson 5, som selvfølgelig allerede er blevet forudbestilt.
Indtil videre får sæson 5 ; 5/6 af mig. :)
"There can be no understanding between the hand and the brain, unless the heart acts as mediator."
#3371 filmz-Utyske 14 år siden
Ud fra mit korte blik, vil jeg sige at jeg er enig med blu-ray.com omkring billedet.
#3372 MOVIE1000 14 år siden
Jeg bliver sgu vred og irreteret over hvordan de kan have sådan en opførsel, selvom det ikke foregik i DK
#3373 filmz-Bruce 14 år siden
Nu har vi haft Spartacus, Elizabeth og Out of Africa fra Universal indenfor kort tid, som ikke lever op til HD formatet. Det er ikke godt.
#3374 inflector 14 år siden
#3375 filmz-Bruce 14 år siden
Twenty years ago, under the aegis of Universal’s Tom Pollack, and with the cooperation and support of both Kirk Douglas and Stanley Kubrick, we spent a year reconstructing and restoring Spartacus from extant film elements. The process was difficult, tedious, and expensive. Work was performed virtually on a shot by shot basis.
An HD master was created from our 65mm interpositive some ten years ago. AFAIK it has previously been used for all SD as well as HD releases of Spartacus, I am told that the master was returned to HTV for clean-up and removal of unwanted noise and grain.
HTV, which performed meticulous dirt and grain removal on another large format production, Franklin J. Shaffner’s brilliant 1970 Academy Award winner Patton, has been brought back to perform similar duties with Mr. Kubrick’s Spartacus. Only now, with newer, next gen software, the final results, both based upon the original transfers and the newer software are different.
Many people were thrilled with the look and overall textures of Patton, which was smoother than a baby’s bottom, and to give it proper credit, looked beautiful on smaller screens.
Where are we now?
Where before, we had heavy noise as captured by the HD transfer, we now have something akin to the surface of a quiet pond in which not even the smallest ripple distorts the surface. Make no mistake, the video noise inherent in the HD master was a problem. The film element upon which the master was based had the normal grain attributes of large format separation masters, which are nominal. No grain reduction was necessary.
The information that I received is that HTV noted the problems, and instituted a fix based upon their newest generation noise and grain reduction software.
After doing a comparison of the HD vs. the new Blu-ray, here’s what I’m seeing:
The video noise, inherent in the HD master is gone. That’s a good thing, but keep in mind that it should never have been there to begin with. In removing the noise, all grain is also gone, replaced by what appears to be a pleasant sheen of artificial film grain.
All of the detail captured by Academy Award winning cinematographer Russell Metty’s meticulous large format Technirama camera, for which he won an Academy Award for Best Color Cinematography, is unfortunately also gone.
All high frequency information has been lost, and with it all of the detail in the image.
In its place the newly softened image has been electronically sharpened. We now have a halos. Contrast has been boosted to make the image appear sharper than it is, but this is perceived as opposed to actual sharpness. Fortunately, possibly based upon the new software, we have not gone plastic.
During the restoration of Spartacus, we went through numerous tests to find the optics that could reproduce the immense amount of detail found in the original elements. I recall one test that we screened in the Hitchcock Theater at Universal. The image quality wasn’t quite there. It was slightly soft. When I mentioned that detail was missing in the wood that surrounded the gladiator’s arena, one of the gentlemen from the post house responded “But you can see the wood grain.” I distinctly remember getting an elbow in the ribs at that moment from our tech assistant, Mike Hyatt. He knew where this was going. What we needed to properly represent Mr. Kubrick’s film was not the ability to see the wood grain, but rather to see the insects eating their way through the wood grain. Within two weeks an optical system was put in place that enabled us to reproduce the information as exposed to the original elements.
In Universal’s new Blu-ray release of Stanley Kubrick’s Spartacus, you can almost see the wood grain, but now that grain is covered in electronic enhancement, halos and unnecessary contrast.
The pity is that Spartacus, like Out of Africa and Elizabeth makes Blu-ray appear to be something that it is not – a flawed technological system for viewing motion pictures in home theaters. I was hopeful that the lessons learned with the Blu-ray releases of Patton, The Longest Day and Gangs of New York might have been taken to heart.
They have not.
Where Fox and Disney have been releasing gorgeous Blu-rays of their catalog titles, and Disney recently released a fully corrected version of Gangs, it is now Universal that is placing data of less than stellar quality in the holding container that is Blu-ray. This potentially damages the reputation of the Blu-ray system, while it absolutely damages the concept that is the “art” of cinema, and proper representation of the what was created by the filmmakers. Where we often have to make compromises between art and commerce, with this Blu-ray of Spartacus there appears to be no compromise -- only the resolute purity of commerce.
There will be many people who will love the Blu-ray of Spartacus, especially on smaller screens. I’ll not get into color, densities, black levels or audio because any discussion of those attributes is irrelevant.
There is no problem with the film elements held on Spartacus. There is a 65mm interpositive with virtually all of the basic color timing and densities intact. There are two audio masters. One which replicates the original 6-track 70mm Todd-AO mix, and another, which updates it for those theaters, equipped at the time of the restoration with “baby booms.” It is the Todd-AO mix that properly represents the wide proscenium mix for properly spacial dialogue.
A return to the 65mm IP would not be an extremely expensive undertaking, especially based upon the importance of the film, and of potential worldwide income. The pity is that whatever entity is controlling the purse strings is unable to recognize that fact.
Here we have an example of great classic cinema. Written, produced, photographed, edited and scored by some of the finest talent in the industry. Spartacus is a huge, epic film about the enduring spirit of mankind and the concept of freedom.
It has been turned, on this Blu-ray, into a sideshow pipsqueak, an ugly and unfortunate bit of home video fodder, which would be far better suited to VHS.
I would suggest a recall. Spartacus on Blu-ray could have been as Mr. Kubrick wished it to be – a heroic and majestic piece of epic entertainment. With a simple new image harvest, Spartacus could be a piece of brilliant Blu-ray software.
As it is, Spartacus receives an absolute and undeniable…
Fail.
Den "fede tekst" er det positive. Der FINDES en glimrende 65mm interpositiv og Spartacus kan komme til at se vidunderlig ud.
#3376 Bobby Singer 14 år siden
Jeg kunne ikke have forstillet mig en bedre afslutning på serien, den formår på ganske fornem vis at opsamle alle de ingredienser der kendetegner Supernatural og binder det hele sammen på en fuldt ud tilfredsstillende måde. Jeg kunne ikke have foresillet mig en bedre slutning. Det er stærkt gået af Eric Kripke.
Eric Kripke - 6/6
Supernatural sæson 1 - 5:
Serien har helt klart haft sine problemer, men ingen serie er perfekt i mine øjne. Ej heller Deadwood, Twin Peaks, Lost, X-Files, Mad Men eller Dexter, som alle er serier jeg har set eller følger med i, er perfekte. De er alle sammen meget gode, men ingen af dem har formået at fange mig på samme måde som Supernatural. 6/6
Det at Supernatural begynder et nyt historie ark - 2/6
Jeg er mildest talt meget skeptisk over for ideen, nu når den femte sæson slutter på så fornem vis. Jeg skal da se den an, men det kan godt være at serien slutter ved femte sæson for mit vedkommende. :)
Folk der ikke har set Supernatural - 0/6
Kom nu ind i kampen for fanden! Den er værd at tjekke ud. Du kan finde de to første sæsoner til en rimelig pris i de fleste butikker der sælger film og serier. Den bider ikke. ;)
#3377 NightHawk 14 år siden
Jeg blev færdig med sæson 5 - Vol. 1 i går, så er halvvejs igennem og bortset fra en lidt sløv opstart i de første par afsnit, så er den efterfølgende kommet op på sit sædvanlige høje niveau. Afsnit 5-11 er jo alle fremragende underholdning og det er nærmest umuligt for mig at finde et favorit afsnit her.
Skulle jeg så alligevel gøre det, vil jeg især fremhæve "I Believe The Children Are Our Future", "Changing Channels" og "Sam, Interupted" pga. deres opfindsomhed og finurlige leg med "SuperNatural" universet.
Klappede i øvrigt til afsnit 4, "Fallen Idols", da :
Og så blev jeg sgu helt trist i afsnit 10, "Abandon All Hope", da :
Glæder mig til at få set resten af sæson 5, som selvfølgelig allerede er blevet forudbestilt.
Indtil videre får sæson 5 ; 5/6 af mig. :)
#3378 tiany 14 år siden
#3379 Skeloboy 14 år siden
#3380 PredatorX 14 år siden
Yeah 0/6 :( Lille mand, STOR stemme